Geld gegen Reformen: Pfeiffer im TV-Interview

Erstellt am: 19.04.2018 – Geändert am: 20.04.2018

Die Vorschläge des französischen Präsidenten Macron liegen seit längerem auf dem Tisch. Nach der Bildung der neuen Bundesregierung wird über deren Umsetzung heiß diskutiert. Joachim Pfeiffer sprach dazu mit der Deutschen Welle im Fernsehinterview.


Sehe Sie hier das komplette Interview, oder lesen Sie es hier nachfolgend (auf Englisch):


DW: Member of the German Parliament Joachim Pfeiffer is here. He is the economy spokesperson for the CDU/CSU and I doubt he’s a fan of those french proposals. But you can tell me yourself. France wants a stronger, more deeply integrated Europe. Why doesn’t Germany want that?

JP: That’s not true. Germany wants also a strong Europe because Europe is the critical mass to play a key role in the future in the economic, in political, in social, in cultural sector.


DW: What about the financial side of the things? Why not finance minister then, who could step in to Germany’s future, or past role at least, as the person who has been knocking the Greeks about trying to get them to reform their country, the Portuguese, the Spaniards. Why can’t we have finance minister who does that? Why should Germany take all the flak?

JP: I think we should indeed develop European decision structures. So maybe a finance minister can be the final part of a solution but it should not be the first one. So we should strengthen a couple of pillars to bring Europe forward. I think first is that we should join forces for common European security policy and foreign policy, therefore we need not to only words, we need a common European defense and security industry which develops, which produces, and also we have common European export rules for example. Otherwise we will not be able. That’s one strong pillar. The second one is the financial pillar. But I think it’s good that we stay with the way “you get money if you deliver reforms”. I think that right in the crisis, we are no longer in the crisis anymore, so we should switch to a future agenda.


DW: There are still countries who still need to reform though. And your colleagues say they want a full banking union, wants the southern European states clear up that bad debts. But that could be a long way. That could drag on growth. Germany has done it before, I mean why not clear the slate as West-Germany did in reunifying with the East. Why not take an approach like that, where Germany helps out the southern states and gets something out of it, gets stability. That’s what reunification brought and maybe that could ensure future stability for Europe.

JP: I think is what the right way that we took in the crisis, that we gave solidarity and helped countries like Greece, Portugal or Spain. But it has to be linked to reforms, to make the economy more competitive, to do financial and structural reforms and as we see the countries who did these reforms, if you look to Ireland, if you look to Spain as well, now they have growth rates again and we should keep on track on this way.


DW: So you like those financial reforms from the other states. What about the reforms the French want for Europe that Germany doesn’t like?

JP: I think there are a lot of good ideas which French president has and we are discussing them and have to find answers. I mentioned the foreign and security pillar and I want to mention the economic future agenda. We should for example talk about trade. We have a multilateral approach in Europe and we should create a coalition of the willing with the Japanese, with New Zealand, Australia, Mercosur, to implement multilateral approaches on trade. And that is the best we can do because trade was in the last 50 years the growth engine of the world and it needs open markets. We should also have a common R&D, fulfill the European single market, the digital sector as well..


DW: If Macron comes in tomorrow and he doesn’t get what he wants, he has lofty reform ideas for Europe. If Germany puts on the brakes, what is going to happen to a German-Franco tandem which has been so important to pushing Europe?

JP: We are not on the brakes. That is what I mention, we should not reduce Europe to only what we cant..


DW: But are we on a very different page to the French, the Germans.

JP: I don't see it. I see a lot of points where we agree and we have to find together definitely I think that..


DW: That would be enough to out-weight the negatives?

JP: Yes I think so, but the solution for Europe is not only to distribute money. Some of the things suggested by Macron are not fit to make the European economy more competitive. 


DW: Well let’s see how those talks go. I wish you all the best in your position as CDU/CSU economy spokesperson. Thank you very much for coming in today Mr. Pfeiffer.